Jon Gosselin and Bethenny Frankel of “The Real Housewives of New York City” face-off on THE INSIDER panel tonight, Tuesday, October 6th.

Frankel tells Gosselin her perception of his situation with estranged wife Kate, “Everyone’s mad at you right now. America has a big problem with the fact that [your kids] are growing up on a television show. You never know what the effects will be 20 years from now. I’m as mad at her as at you.”

Her advice to Gosselin? “I think you’re defeated. You need to pull yourself up from your bootstraps and get back to your kids and get your crap together and get those kids off TV. You need to pull it together.” Gosselin says,” That’s what I am trying to do.”

Frankel goes on to say, “It looks like you went through a rebellious phase.” Gosselin responds, “Of course. I went from 32 to 23. My therapist has told me that. My therapist told me I went from 32 to 23.”

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