Just how real is The Hills? According to model Gavin Beasley—you may remember him as Lauren Conrad’s date (and also the guy who made Brody Jenner jealous)— the MTV show isn’t as real as the network or its stars would like you to believe.

Take the scene at Jenner’s barbecue on this Monday’s episode of The Hills. “[MTV] totally set up the BBQ scene for Brody and I to meet each other and talk because, as they said, ‘the audience would get a kick out of seeing ‘the ex’ talking to ‘the new guy,’” Beasley tells Best Week Ever’s blog in an exclusive interview.

“Brody would talk all this s—, then be like, ‘Sorry about that, we’re just trying to make good television,’” says Beasley. “He creates drama and a storyline. That’s why he is there.”

As for his date with Conrad—well, that didn’t impress Beasley either. And this time, it wasn’t producers’ fault. “[Conrad’s] kind of a conversation killer, and when the cameras are rolling, all conversation is kept firmly on the surface,” he says. So what did the two talk about? “I don’t know—pop culture, Red Bull, stuff like that. In fact, the most interesting thing I got out of her was that she isn’t allowed to eat ice cream because her trainer told her she can’t.”

“What you see is really what you get with these people,” Beasley continues. “The lack of depth was actually uncomfortable for me. Like, how can nothing be everything you talk about?”

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